Speak Lord, For Your Servant Is Listening

A year ago, almost to the day, I revised and re-posted an article entitled “Does God Speak Through Nature?” The premise was simple: God used “natural” phenomenon in Egypt to pry His people free from Pharaoh’s grip. Could He not continue to use the world around us to speak to us?

So many people today—and this includes many Christians—say, No, floods and earthquakes and hurricanes and pandemics have known, scientific causes. They occur because of natural law.

But my question is, Who created and controls natural law? Did not God hang the stars in place? Does His hand not maintain what He created? Scripture indicates He is the One who makes DNA coding and tides and mutating viruses work the way they work—and keeps them doing so.

And He [God’s Son] is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. (Heb. 1:3a; emphasis mine)

Then there’s this passage in Colossians:

For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. (1:16-17; emphasis mine)

All this to say, I don’t believe things happen in the world for no purpose.

God hasn’t sent a modern day prophet to tell us why things happen as He did during Israel’s history before their exile. But we don’t actually need a modern day prophet because we have the ancient ones.

Someone has to be pretty blind not to see parallels between the world today and the world of the ancient Jews. Including this passage:

Come, my people, enter into your rooms
And close your doors behind you;
Hide for a little while
Until indignation runs its course.
For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
And the earth will reveal her bloodshed
And will no longer cover her slain. (Isaiah 26:20-21)

But who knows? Maybe the Coronavirus is just your run of the mill viruses and we shouldn’t think twice about it in spiritual terms.

Then again, maybe it is the wake-up call to remind us that God will bring judgment on the earth one day. Not today. Maybe not in five years or ten or fifty. But assuredly, God will bring judgment. Again, something—in this culture—that’s uncomfortable to say. I mean, we’ve heard from the likes of Rob Bell and his Love Wins best seller of nearly a decade ago. He clearly lays out his belief that no matter what a person believes, he’s on his way to paradise with God.

Well, for one thing, I know a lot of atheists who would be horrified if this were true. They don’t want eternal punishment, that’s for certain, but neither do they want to be with God for eternity.

But more importantly the “everyone’s on his way to heaven” idea is not what God revealed. Pretty much the opposite:

“THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;
ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS;
THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD,
THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE . . .
THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.” (Rom. 3:12-18)

Which brings us to God’s warning and the need for repentance.

At one point God sent the prophet Jonah to the main city in Assyria, Nineveh. I won’t get into Jonah’s issues here, but the people there were known to be a warlike nation, violent and cruel. They seemed to devise ways of killing people that would cause the most pain. Jonah’s message was simple: “Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown.” He apparently didn’t even offer them any hope.

Still, the people knew what was the cause for this judgment, and they bowed before God and repented.

God’s response? “When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it” (Jonah 3:10).

Those people in that place and for that generation, were spared God’s judgment.

The prophet Joel brought the same message to the people of Israel:

Alas for the day!
For the day of the LORD is near,
And it will come as destruction from the Almighty.

Revelation echos this idea of “destruction from the Almighty,” which Christians know as the Tribulation. Are we there yet? Not close. Jesus Himself when asked when He would establish His kingdom went into some detail about the things that will take place first, including this:

You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. (Matt. 24:6-8)

The beginning of birth pangs, not yet the end. I think that’s where we are. And these events that seem so out of the ordinary (because they are) serve as reminders that “the wages of sin is death,” that God will bring His judgment to bear on this world.

The prophet Joel said it to his generation in Israel, but I think it is just as true today:

“Yet even now,” declares the LORD,
“Return to Me with all your heart,
And with fasting, weeping and mourning;
And rend your heart and not your garments.”
Now return to the LORD your God,
For He is gracious and compassionate,
Slow to anger, abounding in lovingkindness
And relenting of evil. (Joel 2:12-13)

I admit the word “evil” has troubled me. I looked it up and in the original, used as a noun as it is here, evil means distress, misery, injury, calamity. In other words, it does not mean wickedness. The idea is clear: repentance alters God’s judgment. His nature is to be slow to anger, to have heaps upon heaps of lovingkindess, and turn away from bringing His judgment.

Of course the New Testament paints the entire picture for us. God turns away His wrath from those who bow before Him because Jesus accepted that wrath, poured out on Him. And those of us who accept this free gift of grace? We have peace with God through Jesus.

Even in the midst of a pandemic. We’re not facing His angry judgment. Ever. We may die from the virus or from something else, but we will enter into His presence, the way the thief dying beside Jesus, did. That’s something far different from judgment.

So in one way (there are others), this virus thing is a blessing in disguise. It gives us an opportunity to face our mortality, and to repent for turning our backs on God, for living for ourselves instead of living for Him. It’s an opportunity of a lifetime, so to speak—an eternal lifetime.

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  1. Well done, Becky. This stuff can get really complicated, so asking questions like, “can we change God’s mind” or avert his already planned judgements, can get exceedingly complex. That’s probably why there are so many divisions between people who believe in predestination versus dispensationalists. I dont believe we can really answer those questions in a cut and dry way. It’s kind of a tongue in cheek comment, but in answer to, “can we change God’s mind, ” No, because His mind is already right. He doesn’t make mistakes. Like Jonah, it’s our minds that need to change.

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    • I really like that, IB. Kind of like how God tested Abraham by telling Him to sacrifice Isaac. God didn’t need to test Abraham because God already knew what was in his heart. But God still wants us to obey or in the case of Nineveh, to turn and repent. Maybe for a witness to others. Maybe because we need to see how God values obedience and repentance. It is complex indeed.

      Thanks for adding your excellent thoughts to the topic.

      Becky

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  2. “God hasn’t sent a modern day prophet to tell us why things happen as He did during Israel’s history before their exile. But we don’t actually need a modern day prophet because we have the ancient ones.”

    “Someone has to be pretty blind not to see parallels between the world today and the world of the ancient Jews.”

    Please list the parallels Becky, I will list a few divergent details that would be obvious to a blind man.

    The most obvious observation is that the ancient prophets are just that “ancient” and had no idea what today’s world would be like. in case you had not realised the people do not wear sandals, robes and loin cloths as standard dress, nor do they drive their donkeys and camels to work.

    People of ancient times were prone to early death that often came from child birth, diseases, malnutrition and violence making life on average much shorter than today for most of the population.They did not have modern science, medicines, proper surgical knowledge and technology etc. Need I go on?

    The common people would stone people to death for adultery, beat their wives, children and slaves and this was normal behaviour for ancient and primitive people and of course they were ruled by the Romans who also meted out cruel punishments often resulting in death.

    Story telling was one of the main entertainments of the day that included superstitious beliefs in the supernatural and that is an issue of contention when it comes to the sources of the Biblical stories.

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    • Steve, since you haven’t read the Bible I am not surprised that you don’t see any parallels. Of course the people lived in a different time and a different culture, so they dressed differently. But that doesn’t address who they were. Here are some of the similarities of which I spoke:

      Listen to the word of the LORD, O sons of Israel,
      For the LORD has a case against the inhabitants of the land,
      Because there is no faithfulness or kindness
      Or knowledge of God in the land.
      2 There is swearing, deception, murder, stealing and adultery.
      They employ violence, so that bloodshed follows bloodshed.
      3 Therefore the land mourns,
      And everyone who lives in it languishes
      Along with the beasts of the field and the birds of the sky,
      And also the fish of the sea disappear.

      . That’s just one passage from one prophet (Hosea 4:1-3)

      Here’s a passage that addresses various aspects of society: religious leaders, governmental leaders, leading thinkers, everyday people:

      Her priests have done violence to My law and have profaned My holy things; they have made no distinction between the holy and the profane, and they have not taught the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they hide their eyes from My sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. 27 Her princes within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. 28 Her prophets have smeared whitewash for them, seeing false visions and divining lies for them, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD,’ when the LORD has not spoken. 29 The people of the land have practiced oppression and committed robbery, and they have wronged the poor and needy and have oppressed the sojourner without justice.

      Sound familiar? No, Ezekiel wasn’t talking about America or Australia, but God is.

      Becky

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      • I do not see any parallels only human nature where all humans in all parts of the world have this parallel. Human nature is what it is Becky, even your God could not eliminate that.

        This is a characteristic of the human animal, from the day man first walked the Earth he needed to survive. Humans only exist today due to these human failings.

        Human nature is something that you would believe and explain away as free will that God installed within us, but it is far more complex than that.

        Free will may exist to some point and some people are better at using it than others, however the scientific facts identify that these human traits of deception, murder, stealing and adultery etc are triggered by evolved emotional states of mind such as love, jealousy, hate, discrimination, pride, honour and faith etc stemming from one reason only and that was the human instinct to survive as an individual and a race of people on a foreboding planet where life was primitive and our early ancestors existed and competed for food with wild animals. I believe even God had emotions, just like the people he created, right?

        Believing in gods and deities is one of those survival traits and in itself I acknowledge has been a contributor to human decency and benevolence but has also racked up many major failings throughout history that still continue to this day.

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        • I’m not surprised you don’t see the parallels, Steve. I wish I could draw the picture more clearly for you, but I suspect that as long as you turn your back on God you just won’t be able to see.

          Here’s my best effort:

          1) Israel: saved, protected, blessed by God. Forgot what He told them and started doing the very thing He told them not to. Suffering and hardship follow. They turn back to God. God saves them and the cycle repeats.

          2) America: Founded by believers in God, many of whom were saved, protected in their new home, blessed by God. After years, America has forgotten God and no longer walk in His ways. Suffering and hardship follow. The question remains: will we repent and seek God again?

          That’s simplistic.

          You can speak of human nature, and you’re right. We humans have a nature bent toward sin, so it is inevitable that people will turn to their own ways, unless they listen to God’s call to turn to Him.

          I’m glad that you see belief in God makes a difference in the lives of those who follow Him. The “major failings” you refer to have been committed by pretend Christians, or religious people who actually had no relationship with God through Jesus Christ. It’s one of the most shameful things, that these false believers not only do things that are reprehensible, but they drag God’s name into the very wrongs they are doing.

          Becky

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          • “You can speak of human nature, and you’re right. We humans have a nature bent toward sin, so it is inevitable that people will turn to their own ways, unless they listen to God’s call to turn to Him.”

            You keep going off track Becky. You claim you like science, therefore is it not reasonable that man developed violence and criminal attributes (what you call sinful ways) through the desire for survival in the primitive lands of the Earth, this is when man had to suffer extreme hardship, he had to fight and kill other men and animals to feed and shelter himself over many thousands of years? This became inherent and is still manifested within humans and often not controlled by some humans.

            “It’s one of the most shameful things, that these false believers not only do things that are reprehensible, but they drag God’s name into the very wrongs they are doing.”

            I would then expect you would put your President Trump in this category and at least half of the Christian population. From my experience over the years the so called Christians are just as sinful as anybody else, however they believe going to church, doing charity and repenting their sins puts them back on track for eternity in heaven. I would say you are in the minority as I can tell you are one of the very few devout but stubborn Christians that exist today:)

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          • Steve, even if you’re right about “primitive man,” they still had a choice–to handle their survival on their own or to do things God’s way.

            I agree with you that many, many people who identify as Christians, are not. President Trump, when he was running for President, responded to a question: Had he ever repented? by saying, no, he had nothing to repent of. When he had done something wrong he just tried harder and tried to make up for the mistake. (Which I understand as more than “mistake” when it comes to some of the things in his past. Sin is the best term). Has he since repented? I don’t know, He may have, so I can’t judge him. And of course we are all learning what it means to become like Jesus.

            Too many “Christians” are trying to use God for their own ends, rather than to worship and serve Him.

            You’re also right that people who believe God and set a goal to follow Jesus every day are in the minority. Jesus said we’d be like people on a “narrow road,” meaning that there wouldn’t be a lot of others with us. He contrasted that to a “broad road” where many more people travel.

            And I guess you’re also right to call me stubborn. The book of Hebrews says a number of times that it’s those who “hold fast” who are believers. Which makes sense if you think about it. If someone says they are a Christian until something else comes along that looks better to them, they can be described as “easily swayed” rather than “convinced.” Because if a person is convinced of something, they are “completely certain.” In that case there won’t be new information that can alter that assurance. It’s sort of like knowing that 2+2=4. New theories and advanced math, learning about whole numbers and fractions—none of it will cause a person to question what they know about the basics of 2+2=4. It just is and the rest of complex mathematics is understood only through the fundamental truth of 2+2=4.

            Becky

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          • They did do things their gods way Becky, your Christian god was not around then and they created their own gods and they became beholden to them as you are to your Christian God.

            Why would it make Trump any better after repenting? he always says the most stupid things and he has blundered along by leading your country into the world number one spot in the quantity of people infected with the virus.

            “Because if a person is convinced of something, they are “completely certain.” In that case there won’t be new information that can alter that assurance.”

            Being convinced and certain of something or assured of something does not make that belief anything more than faith unless it is supported by evidence and facts. In regards of all religions, scientific advancement has bought plenty of contrary information to the table based on evidence and facts but it is mostly ignored. Even the science regarding the Coronavirus has been ignored by many Christians with their stupid priests calling them into the church services. Please tell me what logic or rational thought was used here?

            “It’s sort of like knowing that 2+2=4. New theories and advanced math, learning about whole numbers and fractions—none of it will cause a person to question what they know about the basics of 2+2=4. It just is and the rest of complex mathematics is understood only through the fundamental truth of 2+2=4.”

            No Becky 2 plus 2 is obviously the correct answer, the evidence is unquestionable and there for those who can count and it is an indisputable fact denied by nobody.

            It is more like you are “convinced and certain” 2 + 2 equals 5 relying on faith alone, no one outside your faith can see this has any evidence of working to become a fact, but you believe your sum is correct regardless of anything contrary and one day you expect we will all see that you are right.

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          • Steve, any one can see the evidence. It’s just that you reason your way out of it. Irrefutable evidence 1: the world exists. Nothing ever creates itself, hence, the world did not create itself. You cannot find any answer to that because there is none. But some how atheists think that fact that has NO EXCEPTIONS somehow can be explained away or that it doesn’t matter. No, Christians are not pulling God out of the air “by faith.” The faith we talk about is the assurance that what He says is right, not that He exists. Atheists continue to get faith wrong. It is not the same as wishful thinking. True faith never has been.

            And I’m sorry, but where is your evidence that “Christians are ignoring” the science of Covd-19? I know that many, many places are not holding church services in buildings but are putting them on line. I know in my area, Catholic churches are taking precautions to maintain social distancing. Are there other places in the country that are doing something else? Possibly. I mean, there were still people hanging out at the beach, so who knows where else they were going.

            I just heard an interview with our Surgeon General who happens to be a Christians. If you mean “ignore” in the sense that many Christians are on the front lines of medical care, then your idea of “ignore” is different from mine.

            And no, President Trump is not responsible for the spread of the virus or the deaths. As it happens our population happens to be larger than some places, so percentage wise we may not have any difference but total numbers will be more. As far as China is concerned, I’m not sure we can trust any numbers they report.

            As far as President Trump repenting, it would mean first that he would be turning from his wicked ways. That’s what repent actually means. It’s not saying sorry. It’s saying, I was wrong; I’m not living that way any more. For a Christian that “way” means, not living for myself any more, but living for God and for others. So Christians should grow more and more like Christ as we learn what it means to live for Him.

            Becky

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          • https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/01/us/washington-choir-practice-coronavirus-deaths/index.html

            Thought you may like this one as well.

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          • Steve, maybe you missed this part of the article: ‘ “There were no closures of schools, restaurants, churches, bowling alleys, banks, libraries, theaters, or any other businesses,” the statement said. “The advice from the State of Washington was to limit gatherings to 250 people.” ‘ In other words, this singing group was not doing anything the rest of the community was not doing. It’s really stretching for straws to accuse Christians as guilty for spreading the virus. Really bad form!

            Becky

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          • Why was this guy Pastor Rodney Howard-Browne arrested then? And is it not logic and rational thinking that with a virus such as this one why would you put yourself at risk?

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          • Not sure where you got that name. He was not mentioned in the article, and apparently he lives in Florida, which is all the way across the country from Washington and this singing practice. I think you have too much time on your hands, Steve. You apparently are trolling the internet looking for “gotchas” so you can make accusations against Christians. Why don’t yo0u look for bars that are still open or porn studios or prostitutes still working or any number of other real problem areas? Oh, right, the media doesn’t report those things. I forgot.

            Becky

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          • “Why don’t yo0u look for bars that are still open or porn studios or prostitutes still working or any number of other real problem areas? Oh, right, the media doesn’t report those things. I forgot.”

            Ha Ha, very good Becky. Since you want to go down this road, the only problem is that these sex places do not cater solely for the left leaning randy atheist and they do not have such a high profile as churches for good reason. These places are mostly at a very low profile because they cater for people in the public eye such as politicians, senior business leaders and priests.

            I am sure if pubs and clubs opened illegally with masses of people they would be reported, the point is even if they did open they are not institutions that preach high moralistic behaviors whereas the church does and is supposed to love and protect their flock and follow the laws of the land, correct?

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          • Not a good argument, Steve. So let’s say the the bars are closed. How about those buying and selling drugs? You think they’ve shut down because of a stay-at-home order? And the porn industry—they won’t even wear condoms, so why should they obey a stay-at-home order? But no. We have to hunt up the choir practices and the churches.

            Because churches are higher profile? As in, more people go to church than do drugs? Or watch porn?

            I don’t see your logic here—the patrons who are of high profile, don’t generate much notice, where as the average Christian going to choir practice is in a much more high profile situation. That makes no sense.

            As to following the law of the land, we are first to obey God. So if the state said to stop telling others about Jesus, we are to follow God anyway, though that does not mean we can’t look for creative ways to do so. That’s what I said about that pastor who was arrested. He believes he’s obeying God, and he doesn’t realize he can do both. He’s being stubborn and narrow in his thinking, apparently.

            But his church is hardly an example of “masses of people.” Of course we also haven’t mentioned the homeless encampments or shelters, the prisons, the military barracks. Let’s face it, someone really has to be determined to go after Christians if they are picking on the few examples of religious people who are not complying to the guidelines or state orders. I honestly don’t even know how these reporters ferret out these examples. Maybe some atheist is calling in and giving “tips.” That’s consistent with the bigotry.

            Becky

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          • Maybe you are right Becky, picking on Christians is not nice and yes it can be bigoted.

            I think the reason media latch onto Christians is because they put themselves in danger with the expectation the good Lord will protect them. Religious people are the only ones who think like this, and most non Christians understand this sort of prank is obviously going to fall over and the media love it when someone or a bunch of people are proved wrong, people read this stuff and atheists especially have another string to their bow and more people steer away from religions in general regarding them as extreme cults.

            The best thing Christianity can do in any given situation is to conform to society and pull their heads in if they want to survive. This is an obvious tip because everything done that is associated with a religious ideology is worse than people or a person doing something random outside of any ideology. Take terrorists for example, the Muslims are considered first on the list, take stupidity, it is usually Christians or politicians who are first on the list.

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          • Here’s an example of what I’m talking about. On Mar. 23 the Derry Journal reported that young people were intentionally coughing on each other. This apparently was not picked up by an media like Associated Press. On Mar. 21 the Daily Mail reported a similar story. On Mar 22 the New York Times ran an article called “Virus Rebels From France to Florida Flout Lockdown Practices” but they have since taken the linked page down!

            The media here in the US is highly leftist and wants only to push the stories that reinforce the narrative they believe. Rather than accepting them at face value, a thoughtful reader should investigate.

            I agree that Christians, like any one else, should be good neighbors and do their best to comply with the lock down guidelines. No, we should not “pull our heads in.” Christians should continue to be kind and gracious and generous and fearless in helping the needy, caring for those who are infected, praying for God’s mercy, preaching the message of repentance. Because, Steve, this virus brings our mortality right to the surface and people are being forced to confront the fact that their death is just around the corner. Only Christians have real answers to the needs and fears of people’s hearts.

            Becky

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          • The BBC have highlighted a half marathon that was ran through the streets in Wales, I do not know if your press has mentioned it but that is the most stupid thing I have seen today.

            The trouble is Christians, like I have said come up with the most ridiculous reasons and they may not sound stupid to the odd devout Christians like yourself but to the rest of us it would be a comedy if it was not so serious. The news people love this stuff.

            “Only Christians have real answers to the needs and fears of people’s hearts.”

            Becky I understand that but it is not actually true. Muslims and Hindu’s would not agree and the last thing atheists want is a Christian telling them to repent to Jesus and go to heaven.

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          • Steve, this is so tiresome. You continue to paint all Christians with your brush of it”s their fault or whatever your point is with linking to this article, because you cannot discern who is a Christian and who is not. But further, you buy into the narrative of this site which is making things up. Unless this “musical evangelist” said something more that’s not reported, it’s a completely false narrative to say that he claimed the virus hysteria (a word not in the meme) was a plot against President Trump. What the meme says is “Do you see how the media can manipulate your life?” The fact that the virus is a real danger is completely in line with the Bible. So the fact that this man saw it as an example of a separate reality (the media DOES try to manipulate people) is actually one of the factors that make me question what he believed.

            Becky

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          • Here is another one Becky, your Christian brothers are crazy.

            https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/coronavirus/article_b75ffa36-73b7-11ea-85e4-d79db9fd1d4b.html

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          • Yep, some of us are. I don’t think this guy is crazy. He’s wrong, but he has reasons for what he’s doing. I disagree with him and I think he’s being selfish. There are sooooo many ways today of complying with the governor’s law and still obeying the Biblical principle he sites and the Constitutional right he believes he is exercising. I mean if there was NO OTHER way, he might have a point, but he’s simply being myopic. But, Steve, he is not typical of pastors, in America or anywhere else. The fact that you and other atheists I know who do this same sort of thing, find ONE Christian (or as you did in other links, one falsely professing Christian) who does something you disagree with, you think that means ALL Christians are doing the same. That’s the definition of a false narrative, of bigotry, You should be ashamed of yourself.

            Becky

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          • “find ONE Christian (or as you did in other links, one falsely professing Christian) who does something you disagree with, you think that means ALL Christians are doing the same. That’s the definition of a false narrative, of bigotry, You should be ashamed of yourself.”

            No Becky, the point is you obviously believe that Christians are naturally better people and have more morals than atheists, due mostly to the fact you think everyone should become a Christian.

            Well I am pointing out that you are often wrong and that Christians will often lead the way in stupidity. You can call these theists “not real Christians” or whatever you like but atheists are not congregating like this or denying science and doing this suicidal stuff. As far as bigotry goes, you must realise if you point a finger at me the other 3 fingers are pointing back at yourself.

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          • “you obviously believe that Christians are naturally better people and have more morals than atheists” Steve, this makes me think you read nothing I write. I have said over and over and over again, Christians are sinners. We are saved by God’s grace just like anyone else can be saved. We are NOT special. We are not morally more righteous, apart from Christ.

            But yes, Christ is more moral than . . . anyone. And the goal of the Christian is to become like Christ. We aren’t there yet, and we won’t be there in this lifetime. Some false Christians, just like some people from other religions or from no religion at all, are very moral people, perhaps even kind. But the fact is, their morality cannot ever save. It doesn’t erase the sin of our hearts that God knows.

            Yes, Christians can be wrong, but the press does conflate the facts, pointing out Christian assemblies while ignoring other gatherings of people who do so for their own selfish reasons. This reminds me of Nero blaming Christians for burning Rome when he himself was responsible.

            Actually there are plenty of “atheists” who are doing stupid stuff. Who’s more apt to hoard during a time of crisis, the atheist or the Christian who believes God will take care of them? It’s simply logic.

            And you continually say this false narrative about Christians denying science. But in all those articles you linked to, there was no evidence of that. Yes, doubt in what the media reports, but that is not the same as saying science is wrong. It’s more like, who can we trust to give us the facts? And that’s not a question to push aside as if it has no merit. I mean, all you need to do is look at your own false assumption in the last comment to see that false narratives are constructed and passed on with no actual relationship to the truth.

            And are you going to dig up the old answer to school children who tattle on their classmates as an argument for your bigotry? Seriously, Steve. It is not bigotry to call you out or to call out the media for this negative and false narrative about Christians.

            Becky

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  3. This attitude and Trump’s inability to run the country is why you lead the way in people catching this virus.

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    • Steve, worry about your own country instead of criticizing ours. Really. Your leaders couldn’t even put out a fire.

      See how ridiculous such criticisms are? Please don’t pretend to know something you know nothing about.

      Becky

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  4. Yes Becky our Prime Minister is often stupid, however he can never catch up to the level of your president. We do not need direction from our leaders to put out fires, we have done this for centuries.

    I do know about Trump, no pretending It is unavoidable, if you could only grasp what the rest of the world thinks about Trump and his fanatical supporters you would be apologising for him, the country and for being a Trump voter 🙂

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    • Steve, you know so little. I did NOT vote for President Trump. This only goes to show that your “knowledge” is based on your own perceptions, not on reality. I don’t expect you to get this. You simply are too blind to your own way of thinking.

      Becky

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      • You excel my expectations Becky:) I must admit I am guilty of lumping Christians together and thank you for pointing this out.

        However, I would bet if you went into some churches and claimed you did not like Trump you would get stoned to death, at best run out of town.

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        • No doubt, political passions run high. I dare say, if someone had said something negative about President Obama (maybe even said something negative today), to a certain “progressive” (read, left-leaning socialist) crowd, they’d also be “stoned to death, at best run out of town.” My point is, conservatives do not, and certainly Christians do not, hold a corner market on political passions.

          Becky

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          • I do not doubt what you say, but the point I really want to make is that the fanaticalism through the mixing of politics and religious belief can be quite unsettling for the general public.

            Sure enough we in Australia and NZ have many passionate left and right leaning voters with minor physical confrontations in the past, however as we are far more secular countries I have never come across anything close to the fire and brimstone hype that Christian ideologies bring to the political ideological table like the Trump crowd has done and I hope I never will.

            Personally, and I know a lot of people who do not classify as anything political and I cannot imagine people becoming groupies for an individual politician, whereas in the US it is common to treat them like gods and Trump’s supporters have made it clear they are more vocal, passionate and more aggressive than the supporters of any previous presidents.

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    As far as saying it’s a judgment, I can’t say since I’m not a prophet. But we have all sinned in God’s sight as a people. We need to repent regardless of whether or not this virus and recession are direct judgments.

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  6. […] seems to be in semi-quarantine? A couple weeks ago I addressed this issue in the article “Speak Lord, For Your Servant Is Listening.” Since then, I’ve heard a number of Christian leaders speak to the […]

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  7. Good word. Thank you for sharing. God is definitely shaking things up. Let us humble ourselves and repent.

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