Atheist Arguments: God Is Cruel

Often atheists claim that God, if He exists, is cruel, even evil, because look at the people who died in the flood (which they also don’t believe in), or how about all those Egyptian soldiers who died when the Red Sea closed over them (another account atheists claim is nothing but myth). A third example are those Amalekites Saul was supposed to wipe out (yes, those would be people atheists don’t actually believe ever lived). The war against the Amalekites, according to these atheists, shows that God is genocidal.

Taken out of context those examples do make God look bad. But here’s the truth.

First, God’s nature. Scripture reveals the character of God throughout. He identifies Himself as merciful and true, good and kind. There are many other traits revealed and demonstrated, but most pertinent to this question raised by the atheist argument is that God is righteous and He is just.

Psalm 7 contains one such revelation:

The LORD judges the peoples;
Vindicate me, O LORD, according to my righteousness and my integrity that is in me.
O let the evil of the wicked come to an end, but establish the righteous;
For the righteous God tries the hearts and minds.
My shield is with God,
Who saves the upright in heart.
God is a righteous judge,
And a God who has indignation every day.
If a man does not repent, He will sharpen His sword;
He has bent His bow and made it ready.(vv 8-12)

Notice that God’s job as judge is actually a hedge, a safeguard, a shield for the upright, to protect them from the wicked.

Here’s another passage in the Psalms that makes the point that God deals with the wicked. He won’t let them hurt others with impunity:

The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked,
And the one who loves violence His soul hates.
Upon the wicked He will rain snares;
Fire and brimstone and burning wind will be the portion of their cup.
For the LORD is righteous, He loves righteousness;
The upright will behold His face. (11:5-7)

See? some atheists might say. There God is, hating and raining fire on people. Such a view misses the context again. The recipient of God’s wrath is the wicked who loves violence. As it happens even we fallible humans, with our imperfect laws and legal system and law enforcement officers, sometimes use deadly force to stop a violent person. We should not be shocked if God treats unrepentant oppressors and violent men in the same vein. After all, His knowledge is complete. His judgment is never wrong. So He doesn’t sometimes bring down His fire on innocent people. He gets the judgment right every single time.

The judgments of the LORD are true; they are righteous altogether.
They are more desirable than gold, yes, than much fine gold;
Sweeter also than honey and the drippings of the honeycomb. (Ps. 19: 9b-10)

Psalm 119 repeats the truth about God’s righteousness more than once:

5 Gracious is the LORD, and righteous;
Yes, our God is compassionate.

75 I know, O LORD, that Your judgments are righteous,

137 Righteous are You, O LORD,
And upright are Your judgments.

Psalm 145 declares a number of God’s attributes, including His righteousness:

8 The LORD is gracious and merciful;
Slow to anger and great in lovingkindness.
9 The LORD is good to all,
And His mercies are over all His works. . .
17 The LORD is righteous in all His ways
And kind in all His deeds.
18 The LORD is near to all who call upon Him,
To all who call upon Him in truth.
19 He will fulfill the desire of those who fear Him;
He will also hear their cry and will save them.
20 The LORD keeps all who love Him,
But all the wicked He will destroy.

These last lines bring up the next salient point in the answer to the atheist argument that God is cruel. In His righteousness, in His justice, He saves those who call upon Him, which obviously pits Him against those who are doing harm. How can you keep people safe who are being oppressed without dealing with the oppressors?

As it happens, in the three Biblical examples atheists like to use to claim God’s cruelty, He did in fact deal with oppressors.

First the people in Noah’s day. Too often we forget why God sent a flood. Yes, judgment but why did the people have to be judged?

Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth.

Then God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth. (Genesis 6:11-12)

As I read this, I think, Man would be extinct today if God had not stepped in and saved Noah and his family. Maybe not, but why wouldn’t Noah have eventually become a target for these violent people whose thoughts were only evil, all the time?

Then there were the Egyptians. These would be the people who ordered and enforced the killing of the Hebrew male babies, who kept them under slavery for 400 years. They would hardly qualify as innocent. When God judged them, He did so as part of the process of freeing His people from captivity. They were no match for the trained Egyptian army and chariots. So God intervened and stopped the potential slaughter of all the descendants of Abraham.

Which brings us to the Amalekites. This people group harassed Israel on their way to the Promised Land. Waited and watched and picked off the weak and the vulnerable. God did not send judgment on them right away. He gave them time to do the right thing, to turn from their wicked ways. He gave them a good 200 years! But throughout the exodus, throughout the time that judges ruled Israel, the Amalekites oppressed Israel. When God allowed Israel to select a king, He turned the punishment of the Amalekites over to him. As it happened, Saul didn’t complete the job. As a result, years later, a descendant of the king Saul had spared—a guy named Haman—hatched a plot to wipe out any and all Jews. He would have succeeded, too, if Queen Esther had not intervened.

Atheists see God’s intervention, His judgment of evil, His protection of the ancestors of the coming Messiah, as cruel?

I see the violent men in Noah’s day as the cruel ones. I see the Egyptians who were exposing babies and keeping a people in subjugation for 400 years, as the cruel ones. I see the Amalekites who were intent on destroying the Hebrews, starting with their weakest people, as the cruel ones.

I see God as He’s described in the Psalms and elsewhere: He is a righteous judge, who administers justice, which He always gets right.

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  1. Our Bible study is in I Samuel now. We haven’t come to the episode with the Amalekites yet, but we read a few days ago about the Ammonites. (Chapter 11) Talk about CRUEL …! When the Israeli city of Jabesh asked for a treaty with them and offered to be subject to them, that wasn’t enough for the Ammonite leader. He demanded the right to gouge out the right eye of every one of them. I guess this way he’d make sure they’d never be able to fight again – but they could still be slaves. Saul’s army came together and defeated the Amalekites. I have a hard time feeling sorry for them.

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    • As I’ve been reading through the Psalms I see over and over that God judges righteously. Then, looking at the way the enemies of God’s people went about trying to oppress them, it’s clear that they needed to be stopped. God is not capricious and He doesn’t make His judgments lightly. He knows what’s in every person’s heart, even from the womb. So He never gets His just judgment wrong. Never. Thanks for adding another example from your Bible Study!

      Becky

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  2. GOOD points 👍😇

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    • Thanks, Ken. I always appreciate the encouragement. Becky

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  3. God as you know him drowned an estimated 20 million people. This is just get rid of them all because there are no chances anyone is innocent?

    The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah about 600 to 1200 estimated population of each city, no discrimination here, all of them bad people even the babies.

    Lot’s wife was transformed into a pillar of salt for looking back. So the Lord does have a sense of humour while killing someone after all.

    Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord and the lord slew him.

    Onan spilled his seed on the ground. And the thing which he did displeased the Lord, wherefore he slew him also. Must have lost his temper because he wasted his sperm on the ground. Oh such a terrible crime so he certainly deserved that.

    And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt. And evidently he also killed all the firstborn of cattle.

    How can you kill innocent babies and newborn cattle to satisfy oneself, this sort of thing makes me feel like I would hate this God if he really existed, how in hell can anyone believe any of this is justified?

    These events are just the very beginning of the murderous rampage throughout the Bible of about 35 events but fortunately science can find no evidence that any of it actually happened Becky. You should also be glad about that, but I know you will knock yourself out trying to find the justification for murdering the innocent, but it is impossible. With God’s supposedly amazing power of omniscience could he of not have sorted out the good guys from the bad guys and was God not supposed to be above all human emotions?

    Take off your Christian rose tinted glasses just for once and meet reality.

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    • Steve, you completely miss the part about God being righteous. So, yes, all the people He gave the death penalty to, were evil to the core, even the “babies,” though it is somewhat humorous in a sad way that you think all the firstborn in Egypt were babies. As I said in my post, these were the people who had held the Hebrews in slavery for 400 years, and part of that rule included killing ALL the male Hebrew babies. You don’t think that needed to be stopped?

      Only someone who has made a predetermined decision to reject God can look at the facts here and think that God was not just in what He did to preserve and protect His people.

      Oh, and about God’s omniscience—that’s how I know that none of those people, including the ones in Sodom and Gomorrah, including Lot’s wife and Judah’s sons, were innocent. They were openly, or secretly, defying God for their own purposes. And God, knowing all, including their thoughts and the intentions of their hearts, even from the womb, made just and righteous judgments.

      Steve, think about it logically. You believe in the scientific method, right? I mean, you think that by using this methodology, a scientist can learn from his observations. But what if a scientist said, Yes, I see XXXX, and I’ve hypothesized that this is caused by YYYY. I’ve tested my theory, and other scientists have verified my findings, but what if there are exceptions that I just haven’t seen yet? In fact, there probably ARE exceptions, so my hands are tied. I simply cannot say that the hypothesis I have tested, that other scientists have verified, is a reflection of reality. Because . . .potential exceptions.

      Would science ever be able to make a statement about reality?

      In the same way, you want to handcuff God by saying that there might be some people who don’t deserve to die, when in truth, He isn’t guessing. He already KNOWS there are none.

      Becky

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      • “In the same way, you want to handcuff God by saying that there might be some people who don’t deserve to die, when in truth, He isn’t guessing. He already KNOWS there are none.”

        This omniscience is only pure speculation by Christians Becky, because you are telling me that only one family in the whole wide world of an estimated 20 million people where most of the population would never have known who God and Jesus was, were all bad and horrible sinners who deserved to die?

        What also about all the animals that died, millions upon millions of animals also had to die, why if God is so powerful does he not save lives with the same impunity in which he takes lives?

        Pull the other one Becky, that is totally ridiculous.

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        • Steve, I think your comment shows some lack of knowledge of the Bible. I don’t know where you get the idea that there were 20 million people who died in the flood (which you don’t believe happened.) In truth, this occurred before humankind migrated to the far reaches of the earth. In other words, it was fairly early in human history. And these were people who were not far removed from God walking and talking with them on a regular basis. Again, I understand you don’t believe all this, which of course makes the atheist claim spurious that God is cruel. If you want to claim He killed “innocent” people in the flood, then you really need to accept the entire narrative, which does in fact state that all but Noah and his family rejected God. They brought on their own destruction.

          Your idea that the animals at least should not die shows how you don’t understand that God made humans different from the animals. You might as well say, how horrible that all the trees and flowers went through a catastrophic flood (see the events of Mount St. Helen). Man is not like the plant life and he is not like the other animals. Of course God did save some animals so they could reproduce.

          Christians do not speculate about God’s omniscience. It’s a trait that is explained in any number of places in Scripture (another something you’d know if you would read the Bible), and that is lived out in examples, such as prophets knowing things they could not know apart from God giving them the insights. Jesus demonstrated the same omniscience from time to time.

          I don’t know what you mean by “pull the other one,” Steve. The only thing ridiculous is that atheists who don’t believe in a worldwide flood, a destruction of the Egyptian army, and so on, find these things they don’t believe ever happened to be cause to accuse God of cruelty. Atheists only want to find fault with God and will not accept the entire narrative which presents these instances as examples of God’s righteous judgment on those who reject Him.

          Becky

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          • “I don’t know where you get the idea that there were 20 million people who died in the flood (which you don’t believe happened.) In truth, this occurred before humankind migrated to the far reaches of the earth. In other words, it was fairly early in human history. And these were people who were not far removed from God walking and talking with them on a regular basis.”

            Come on Becky, that is totally wrong, but you would discard all of history to suit your stories, this is indoctrination brain at work.

            Let’s believe it happened between 3000 B.C. and 2348 BCE that is around about the date that scholars suggest, and 3000 B.C. gives us the estimate of 14 million, whereas in 2000 B.C. it is estimated at 27 million so take your pick. This is what you would know if you only would take some interest in the world you do actually live in.

            Man migrated to the far reaches of the Earth such as the earliest Aboriginal Australians who left Africa to roam Asia about 70,000 years ago before finally crossing the sea into Australia. Evidently Joseph Scaliger placed Creation at 3950 BCE, Petavius calculated 3982 BCE, and according to James Ussher’s chronology, Creation took place in 4004 BCE, not that it matters that humans already existed of course.

            I doubt very much that the Aborigines walked and talked with God and if the great flood came it did not wipe them out, is this because they were not sinners and they worshipped God? I thought everyone was wiped out, maybe Noah had a couple of them on board.

            “I don’t know what you mean by “pull the other one,” Steve.”

            “pull the other one” regarding the leg to fool someone speaks for itself.

            “Atheists only want to find fault with God and will not accept the entire narrative which presents these instances as examples of God’s righteous judgment on those who reject Him.”

            Yes you are correct Becky, finding fault with God, the Bible and the religion is remarkably easy to do. The righteousness of God’s sinful actions is in the eye of the faithful indoctrinated Christian. As with all the gods, the science says none exist outside of your brains.

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          • Steve, you don’t know what Biblical scholars say because you just read people who think the Bible is not history. You should stop pretending that you know something you do not know. All your dating is just made up!

            OK, if you think I’m “pulling your leg,” why don’t you say so? You think I’m lying then, trying to deceive you. No. Actually, as the 1 John passage I posted in yesterday’s article says, those who reject Jesus are lying about God. That’s the opposite of my position.

            The only thing a person has to do is take God at His word. He said He’s a righteous judge, so if there’s something that doesn’t seem righteous to me, I understand that it is my perception that is in error, not God’s actions.

            As it happens, the examples atheists trot out as evidence of God’s unrighteousness simply ignore the facts. Which you are doing in your comments. You have not addressed the evil that the people were guilty of, just your suspicion that they probably all weren’t evil. Again, I’ll take the word of omniscient God over your suspicion. Further, we have yet to find ONE SINGLE PERSON who lived a perfect life. So, yes, I’ll go with what God declared, not your idea of leniency. I suspect this is an approach many atheists take in an attempt to justify themselves: if those ancient people weren’t really guilty to the point that they should be condemned to death, them maybe I’m not so bad either. That’s a failed approach, and totally unnecessary.

            Scripture says, one of the things Jesus did was “free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.”

            Becky

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          • Sorry Becky, but I do not believe you have any real answers.

            “The only thing a person has to do is take God at His word. He said He’s a righteous judge, so if there’s something that doesn’t seem righteous to me, I understand that it is my perception that is in error, not God’s actions.”

            Look at it this way, if you believe God gave us free will to make up our own minds and Gods scriptures were to be reinterpreted by two faced apologetics that make excuses and justification for cruelty, it means he cannot be taken at his word.

            Getting back to the cruelty theme of your post, what about this example. What do you think this passage means?

            “Exodus 21:7 “When a man sells his daughter as a slave she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are etc.”

            Apologetics will have you believe:

            “It actually concerns the paying of a dowry or a wedding gift to the prospective bride’s family. In fact, verse 10 refers to her “marital rights.”

            This pathetic excuse denigrates women with literally pages more of it and reinterpreting the languages to try to make it sound acceptable. To normal comprehension and non-indoctrinated persons they are blatant deceptions in any language because people who use logic and common sense know exactly what these passages mean because they are not stupid and understand it was written by an ancient and ignorant people who believed slavery was the normal way of life.

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          • Steve, you reserve the right to judge God. That’s the problem. You are simply looking for things that offend this culture, as if the people in the Bible didn’t have their own culture. As if our culture is so amazingly superior to whatever God could come up with. Of course you miss the point that God’s rules to THAT culture were actually much kinder, more egalitarian than any of the other neighboring cultures. You don’t care about that. You just want to judge God. You might think you understand what the verses you cherry pick are saying, but since you do not know the context, you are mistaken and you don’t even know it!

            Becky

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          • I am afraid that God and his scribes have made apologetics tasks of beautifying the Biblical word of God an impossible task. You are a writer Becky, surely you know what the words mean, the Bible was written to be understood by people, young and old was it not?

            “You are simply looking for things that offend this culture,”

            The things do offend this culture, that culture is inhuman in regard to ourselves, however it did suit their violent culture at the time. The writers and God all thought that this was normal behaviour and would last forever but of course they had no idea of the future.

            “but since you do not know the context”

            “Context” that is a word overused by apologetics, in fact if Bible passages about slavery, death and destruction are not in context that means also the rest of the Bible cannot be in context, so maybe God is not so loving after all.

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          • Steve, only someone who wants to cherry-pick the Bible to find “gotcha verses” to prove your presuppositions would say “context is overused.” Context is everything. Who was writing, to whom was he writing, what experiences were they dealing with? I mean, to listen to you, God is horrible because He didn’t make a law demanding the people in Moses’s day use only green energy. In other words, you want to see a solution to a problem that was not even on the radar of the people in those days. You might as well look for God to ban prescription drugs!

            What you miss, because you have not and do not read the Bible, is that He gives principles that guide people throughout time. Those you ignore in favor of the cherry-picked passages that applied to a particular people in a different culture during a different era. As if that shows God’s heart. It doesn’t.

            I suspect I’ve given you these examples before, but God will at times give people their own desires, even if His perfect will would be something else. Example 1: God gave Israel a king because they kept asking for one. It wasn’t the best, but that’s what they wanted. Example 2: Moses included in his law (and under God’s direction), the means for divorce. But Jesus says, God hates divorce and that He only permitted it in the Mosaic law because of the hardness of people’s hearts.

            From this, it’s clear God lets us have a say. If we reject Him, at some point, He’ll say, Okay; go your own way. But the Bible is equally clear that those who choose against God face a resurrection to judgment. But if that’s what people choose, that’s what they choose.

            Becky

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          • “Steve, only someone who wants to cherry-pick the Bible to find “gotcha verses” to prove your presuppositions would say “context is overused.”

            Is it not Christians who constantly avoid these verses and will always quote the God loves you verses, I wonder why that is Becky? They are only mentioned and defended feverishly when an atheist mentions them, funny that.

            “Context” is everything and non-believers are not stupid as every defender of the Bible clearly believes. Indoctrination does funny things to the brain of theists.

            “you want to see a solution to a problem that was not even on the radar of the people in those days.”

            “is that He gives principles that guide people throughout time.”

            That is correct, the cruelty during the days of the Bible were a different culture and thought this to be a normal situation for the foreseeable future, and nobody including God it appears knew any better and therefore they made rules for looking after slaves that they thought would be relevant for all time.

            That does not divide us Becky, we know why these verses were written, these people knew no better and consequently it appears the claim that God inspired these principles that abuse humanity must therefore be untrue considering God knows all, and they must have been written by man.

            The same must be said for many other verses that are undesirable and hard to understand for theists. God would have known that modern man would not abide by killing masses of people for committing sins or simply being a relative of a sinner, therefore this clearly indicates the stories were written by man. What other answer can there be?

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          • Steve-
            Read the book of Jude lately?
            Words so timely they could have been written this morning. Then again, God’s word is like that, always timely.

            But do consider the ‘clouds without water’ thing. Really, consider it, ponder it, chew the cud as it were.

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          • CS, you said, “Steve-
            Read the book of Jude lately?” Unfortunately Steve does not and will not read the Bible though both Wally and I have suggested books to him, though he even said he would read John. I suspect he’s afraid the Bible will explode all the myths he has about Christianity.

            Becky

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          • Steve, you said, “They are only mentioned and defended feverishly when an atheist mentions them, funny that. ” This is sad because it shows just how ignorant you are of Christianity. You have no idea what pastors teach, what Bible studies examine, what apologists deal with, what passages Christian writers lean on. Undoubtedly there are some people who profess Christ but don’t believe the Bible who do what you’re saying. You simply are ignorant of who is a pretend Christian and who is a real Christian so you make a statement about what “they” do.

            Apparently you are either willfully blind to what I am saying or your “brainwashing” is showing again: 1) God lets people determine their own ways of governing, promising blessing if they go His way and judgment if they go their own. In matters such as divorce and wanting a king, clearly God let the people do what they wanted. It’s a logical deduction that subjugating people who God had marked for destruction, was not God’s way. But of course you’d holler and complain about God’s cruelty no matter when or how extensive His judgment is. As far as slavery among God’s people, He specifically forbade it! But I notice how you conveniently turned the discussion to a topic I had not covered because you had no answer to the three atheist favorites in light of what the Bible actually says.

            Steve, you don’t read the Bible so it is laughable that you say anything in its content shows it was generated by man. First, It was all written by people, but God “inspired” them. The word in the original actually means “God-breathed.” Not dictated, but not saying things He didn’t want said.

            No, it’s not easy to understand, but it’s easy to see when you put the entire Bible together and see how 40 authors, writing 66 books, over centuries, could create a story that has the coherence the Bible has.

            You really, really should study something other than your atheist, God-hating brainwashing material so you know your subject, Steve.

            Becky

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          • “This is sad because it shows just how ignorant you are of Christianity.”

            You always revert back to this sort of comment Becky, just like another one of your brothers I know, just because my questions and comments get inside your guard. You are taking hits where you don’t like them, it stretches what you believe, and you must feel quite embarrassed when you are trying to explain that the Bible does not actually mean what it says because we atheists are reading it out of “context” and only Christians can understand this “context.”

            “You have no idea what pastors teach”

            I do know what is taught by pastors and what Sunday School teaches children, it was about 7 or 8 years ago I sat in a church where my daughter was with her young friends at that time listening to what the man with the microphone was saying and it is the same old stuff with a bit of comedy and foolery to entertain the audience while encompassing the messages they want you to hear.

            “what apologists deal with, what passages Christian writers lean on.”

            Would you like to bet on this Becky, because you may lose? I would have listened to most of William Lane Craig’s diatribe on You Tube and some of the others such as Ravi Zacharias and John Lennox.

            “Apparently you are either willfully blind to what I am saying or your “brainwashing” is showing again:”

            That is funny, you should understand I am a realist and an atheist, therefore as evidence, facts, logic, reason and truth are the doctrine I follow, then you can call it “brainwashing” if you like. Only trouble is the world operates on these principles, it is the default of life, it is the natural world and the human understanding of everything on the planet, apart of course from the perceived supernatural gods and creatures that are not of our normal life and that is why religions depends heavily on the indoctrination processes.

            “God lets people determine their own ways of governing, promising blessing if they go His way and judgment if they go their own.”

            Why, if this is true, why do churches indoctrinate children? Children can find out what they want on the internet or through social media etc. Why bother door knocking, preaching on corners? This behaviour causes animosity these days with so many religions and the growing atheist numbers.

            “As far as slavery among God’s people, He specifically forbade it!”

            Ok please quote that passage Becky? Evidently George Washington owned slaves, and like so many others he took it for granted that Scripture permitted it. A Baptist pastor named Richard Fuller used the Bible to defend the institution of slavery.

            “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” Contradictory in terms is what your Bible says, and this is what you get when it is written by 40 different men and 66 books of various intelligence levels, various education, different social and political beliefs, different languages and interpretations at different times well after the events happened.

            “You really, really should study something other than your atheist, God-hating brainwashing material so you know your subject, Steve.”

            I am part of the many numbers of growing atheists, humanists, realists and others who have had enough of dictatorship from religions. Religions of all types want to rule the world and install their ideologies into schools, societies and governments. The Muslims in the middle East have done exactly that and apart from the oil rich Muslim countries the rest are technologically and socially backwards, poor and mostly violent.

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          • Steve, I point out your ignorance of Christianity because of the inaccuracy of your positions about Christians. You pretend you know, but you don’t obviously know. But feel free to pat yourself on the back and think that you are making some kind of point in the discussion. What you believe about Christians doesn’t actually change who we are. It just shows that atheists can have irrational beliefs based on their own imagination. Scripture calls it “empty.”

            In truth, you or any other atheist can understand the context of the verses you cherry-pick if you would only be brave enough to actually read what you criticize. You remind me of a movie critic trying to write a review about a movie he hasn’t seen. He relies on what other people say, but he has no way of knowing if they got it right or not.

            Funny that you think because you heard one guy who worked with children, and you think you know what pastors say. Funny how that same carelessness seems to spill into your ideas about science. You get an idea into your head from one source and you just hang on to it.

            Seriously, Steve? Which of the 60 or more debates, talks, interviews, O&A sessions, have you watched? And that’s just Craig. I don’t think you’ve come close to watching most of any one of these apologists. And what particularly did you think Craig was bitterly attacking?

            Steve, I couldn’t finish the paragraph in which you described yourself as a realist. You only want to hear what you already believe. You refuse to think critically about your own position. Anyone who sticks his head in the sand can think himself a realist.

            Got to go.

            Becky

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  4. Very well said–good work. J.

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  5. Oh my bad, Jesus was not around in those days.

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  6. Hi, Rebecca. No, god of the bible is not good, and I don’t think you know what the word “context” means. Context means the circumstances surrounding the words or event, in terms by which it can be assessed. You are not providing the context, you are providing excuses.

    The context of the bible is quite clear if you actually just read it, page by page, straight through. The context is your deity made a world, made people, then got pissed off when the people didn’t do what he liked, and killed lots of them.

    I am a mere human being, and I could easily create a world 100 times better than the world your god supposedly created. Any leadership school anywhere in any industry or military service would analyze this gods actions as being horrible leadership at best, and criminal at that.

    No, your god doesn’t get a pass for killing babies “because they were evil” or some other such nonsense. He killed babies. Are you, personally, so short of creativity that you couldn’t take an infant and raise it to not do evil stuff? To respect elders? And if he knew they were going to be evil, why did he even allow them to be conceived? So he could have all the fun of killing them?

    THAT is context. God with unlimited power does lots of really stupid things, creates problems for himself, and then kills people in a fit of rage.

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    • Thanks for stopping by, Spartan.

      Funny that you think I don’t understand what context means but you offer no context for that statement. Just your own made-up idea about someone you don’t know. Interesting.

      You insinuate that I haven’t read the Bible straight through then demonstrate that you have no grasp of what it actually says by 1) misrepresenting the beginning and 2) ignoring the other 65 books.

      Actually, Spartan, you don’t know what the world God created was like since we humans spoiled this one and the plan He had for it and for us. But it’s a part of the human condition, to be so proud as to think we can outdo God. That’s the way we spoiled things!

      No “pass” for “killing babies.” He is the just judge and He can determine who’s guilty from the start. He doesn’t have to wait around until they grow up to become serial killers to judge them.

      If adults could take babies and teach evil out of them, why haven’t we done it? Still true today: one out of one persons is not perfect. Meaning, we all do harm to each other and to ourselves, some of course, worse than others..

      Your final paragraph only demonstrates that you don’t know God who has patiently suffered people calling Him names without torching them, all so they would have a chance to learn the truth and to turn from the pride of their own heart. People do that all the time, all because God is gracious, merciful, slow to anger, abounding in lovingkindness. Wish you knew Him, Spartan, and weren’t blind to His true nature.

      Becky

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      • Rebecca, how do you know your god is good?

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        • That’s a good question, Spartan. For one, I see His goodness in this world He made. Though it’s not as clear now, it’s still an amazing place that provides for both the “just and the unjust.” He gives sunsets for everyone to enjoy; we all benefit from the rain. We all experience the beauty of a waterfall or a rose or cherry blossoms or a soaring eagle. We stand in awe of a giant glacier or a towering mountain or a crashing wave. All these speak of God’s goodness. Marred because of what we’ve done to our home, yes, but still a stunning monument to God’s goodness.

          Beyond that I see God’s goodness in the gift of His Son Jesus who solves the greatest need of all of us—that imperfection we can’t get rid of, that propensity we have to harm each other, and yes, the world around us. There’s lots more, but those are the two fundamental pieces of information that show me God is good.

          Becky

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          • Yeah, but how do you know that’s your god? When you see beauty, how do you know that your god is doing that? And even if it is him, how do you know he isn’t just an evil god that likes beautiful things? How do you know?

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          • I guess there are a couple answers to your question, Spartan. One has to do with common sense. All the beauty I described before has to come from somewhere—or our appreciation of it does. So logically a person can come to an awareness of One who is higher than we are, we gives what we enjoy. How do I know that One is good? Again, logic. If I examine the lesser examples of good and evil I see around me, I conclude, the evil doesn’t produce beauty, War doesn’t. Mass murderers don’t. Drunk driving doesn’t. Rapists don’t. And on and on.

            There’s more, of course. I mentioned the goodness of God seen in His Son who solves the greatest need in each of our lives. I can see how trusting in Jesus changes lives. Take Louis Zamporini, for example. Or lesser known when it comes to his conversion, Steve McQueen. Listen to the story for yourself. https://youtu.be/20iQXTjs0hw

            So God’s abundant gifts to all of the world, especially His gift of His Son Jesus, convinces me He’s good.

            Becky

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